Saturday, March 7, 2015

Onetime "Shooter and Gentleman" Gene Gotti Embittered by Prison


In this life, there’s a lotta hypocrisy that you just learn to live with—like there’s a rule against dealing drugs, and Gene Gotti [another Gotti brother], is doin’ a long bit for that; you’re not supposed to go with other goodfellas’ wives—happens all the time; you’re not allowed to kill a big boss without the other families’ permission—John Gotti and Sammy whacked Nasabeak [Beak-nose Paul Castellano] and almost started a war.

Ah, Christ on the fucking cross. Right now I'd give my fucking life just to have fucking Buffalo win one.
--John Gotti

courtesy of Wikimedia Commons 



A Brooklyn-based Bonanno crime family associate who served time with Gene Gotti took issue with the headline to this story today and contacted us accordingly.

He strongly disagrees with our use of the word "Gentleman."

"You're losing your touch. Don't get it twisted: I would never bow down to Gene Gotti. Gene was a blabbermouth that talked about every wiseguy he ever knew. Don't give him the benefit of the doubt: He truly was a punk."

He is one of several we've spoken with about Gene Gotti.


An ex-Gambino associate, an Italian who was formerly a member of the "Cowboy crew," which kidnapped drug dealers for ransom and murdered some of them, expressed a similar point of view.


He was born into the life. "When I was 16 years old I carried a .357 Magnum and worked as a bouncer at a mob nightclub.

"I'm 53 now. I just completed a sentence in another racketeering extortion case."

Our source has served some serious prison time, at places like McKean and Allenwood penitentiaries, in Pennsylvania.

"I was around all these guys," he said. "I walked the track with Gene Gotti every day."



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Gene became a made member of the Gambino crime family in 1976, working with brother John who ran the South Ozone Park crew. By the early 1980s, Gene operated a huge illegal drug operation along with Gambino mobsters John Carneglia and Angelo Ruggiero. John Gotti invested cash into the operation but was forever distancing himself from it.

Gene was involved in several mob hits -- and was given one of the highest compliments one gangster can give another. While on the street, Gene was a "shooter and a gentleman."

Gene killed for the crime family. On a recorded conversation he can be heard describing himself as a "workhorse" while he considered his brother John a big shot.

Gene Gotii

(Interestingly, while John Gotti was convicted for ordering the deaths of others -- there's no documented reference to John Gotti ever personally killing anyone that we can think of.)

Gene also was a successful gambler; unlike his brother who was widely known for being a degenerate gambler who never won.  John Gotti gambled away hundreds of thousands of dollars in one weekend -- betting on anything from football to the horses to basketball to two cockroaches running up the wall (depending on who you ask).

When Gene beat two trials related to his drug business (before he was finally convicted following the third trial) the New York Times ran a story in 1988 that described Gene as having boss potential. (Though saying he could have pulled off the coup his brother did is a stretch; John Gotti was the consummate mob politico.)

"Gene Gotti, a younger brother of John Gotti, is carving a niche for himself as an imposing figure in the Gambino organized-crime family, law-enforcement officials say."

The Times also highlighted the problems John's excessive gambling habit was causing.

"In June 1981, Gene Gotti and a close friend, Angelo Ruggiero, complained to each other that John Gotti had lost $60,000 one night in an illegal dice game in the Little Italy area of Manhattan. The Gambino family, according to Queens detectives, was running the game, and Gene Gotti was upset that his brother's gambling loses would cost him a percentage of the profits."

The book Mob Star: The Story of John Gotti highlights one conversation that could have taken place that very night, or halfway through it.

Angelo Ruggiero was recorded speaking to Gene Gotti:

"We gotta see how we can close this fucking joint in New York."

"What happened now?"

[Referring to John using worst profanity imaginable]: "He lost thirty dollars last night." [Meaning $30,000.]
"Quack-Quack Ruggiero"

"We were on top sixty balloons! I left there one-thirty, we were on top for sixty balloons! We didn't need him in the fucking game!" Gene said.

"I'm by the club now."

"We were on top sixty balloons--what, is he kidding somebody or what, this guy? Who the fuck needed him there? So what is he looking to do now? Just take advantage of people or what?"

Still, Gene Gotti stayed in his brother's shadow. In public, he showed deference outside the Bergen Hunt and Fish Club on 98-08 101st Avenue in Ozone Park. When it rained, Gene held the umbrella over his brother's head.

While John Gotti was known for strutting around in custom-tailored $1,000 suits, Gene tended toward simple blue or gray suits, with basic white shirt and tie -- and he dressed that way only when appearing in court.



Unfortunately the third trial was the charm: On May 24, 1989, he was convicted of running a multi-million dollar heroin smuggling ring. Two jurors were dismissed from the third trial, including an alternate. A few months later, he was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison. After his sentencing, the Gambino family demoted Gene from capo to soldier (due to his confinement in prison). His projected release date is September 14, 2018, when he will be 72 years old.

Ironically, Gene Gotti was given an opportunity to accept a plea deal that would've permitted a prison sentence of around 10 to 15 years; meaning he would've been free to celebrate the Millennium. However, John Gotti "adhering to the mob dictum that forbids admitting guilt urged them to go to trial. Gotti, then the newly coronated king of the Gambino family, then tried to fix the jury, according to prosecutors. But things did not go according to plan...."

Gene could be viewed as the key to power for John Gotti. The 1985 assassination of Paul "Big Paul" Castellano was ostensibly over Gotti's decision not to provide Castellano with transcripts related to Gene's drug trial, which involved others.

ANTHONY PESCATORE/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Ruggiero, Gotti and Carmine Fatico outside the Bergin back in the day.

The South Ozone Park Crew included additional members and even an "unofficial" member: drug kingpin Sal Ruggiero, Angelo's brother. Sal's multi-million-dollar drug operation purred smoothly until it didn't. He lammed it in the late 1970s, facing an indictment. On May 6, 1982, a plane he was on crashed. Two days later, his remains where found.

Ruggiero's death had a profound impact on the Gambino crew -- it also indirectly impacted the entire American Mafia.

Kenji Gallo, who writes Breakshot Blog, provides interesting perspective in a story he posted on Sept. 14, 2014 in which he noted:

The new Gambino family is run by the Sicilian faction, but maybe Gene will fit in with them. Gene has maintained a steady stream of visitors who speak to him on many family topics including his brothers and nephews. Many of these men were heroin dealers like Gene, and some continue to push their poison to the masses. Gene Gotti, Angelo Ruggiero, John Carneglia and Sal Ruggiero ran a multimillion dollar heroin empire and it was running smooth until Sal was indicted and had to go on the run.

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Even after he went away, GangLand News reported in December 2002 that Gene Gotti was still playing a major role in the crime family’s rackets, basing this on court documents related to a trial involving then-boss Peter Gotti.

The report further referenced "an unusual joint loansharking operation" that Gene shared with Colombo capo Joseph Scopo, a "hijacking buddy of Gene and John Gotti back in the early 1970s." 

Scopo was killed in 1993, the last victim of the bloody Colombo crime family war.

"Scopo, though in another mob family, had remained close to the Gottis, maintaining a “loanshark book” with Gene until his murder," the article noted.

At the time the article was published the book was said to be "booming."

Joseph's brother Ralph, a Colombo soldier, took over his brother’s share of the loanshark operation, "valued at $500,000... but which sources say today has more than $1 million “on the street” earning from 100 to 200 per cent interest a year." That was in 2002.


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A Luchese crime family member was Gene Gotti's cellmate at McKean. The Luchese member also was close with Louis DiBono, a member of the Gambino crime family murdered in October 1990. Shot three times in the head, his body was found in a car in an underground parking garage at the World Trade Center. John Gotti Senior was convicted of ordering the hit.

"Gene would badmouth everyone," our source said.

Our source walked with Gene every morning -- and once he was off for the rest of his day, Gene warned his cellmate (not knowing his cellmate was friends with our source): "Patty, you better be careful, he was kidnapping guys."

"Patty put him in his place – he told Gene, 'It was one of our kind who gave him the orders.'"

The source noted that John Alite saved his life in Allenwood.

Michael Spinelli was made via a "bathroom
induction ceremony."

"He [Alite] was there before me. There were a lot of guys from Philly mob there, and guys from different families. But John was the man on the compound.

Our source soon encountered a problem with members of the Philadelphia mob family in Allenwood at the time. He didn't want to get involved in some kind of ongoing dispute between the Philly mob guys and some Muslims. The feud was supposedly caused by a loudmouth Philly mobster who was jumped. Called Joe Mecca, he wasn't on record with the Philly Cosa Nostra family but he hung around Johnny "Gongs" Casasanto.

"I didn’t get involved because I didn’t like the situation," the source explained. "The guys from Phillly weren’t too happy with me."

We noted in Three Unsolved Hits Haunt Mob Boss "Uncle Joe" that Johnny Gongs was killed in 2003, after he was angling to join the Gambino family. He'd met John Junior Gotti in prison and was meeting with Alite following his 2002 release when he was slain, most likely for sleeping with a mobster's wife. Casasanto was viewed as a mob outsider who had sided with John Stanfa in the mid-1990s.

Ronald Turchi was the ranking Philly member in Allenwood at the time. The younger guys stayed close to him. (Turchi also was slain -- in a brutal 1999 gangland hit. His naked body was found in the trunk of his wife's car in South Philadelphia. He had been shot twice in the back of the head. His hands and feet were tied with white rope.)

Turchi was the ranking guy in Allenwood.

The Philly gangsters wanted our source, who wouldn't join in the prison battles, murdered and moved to put a contract on him, which Alite nixed.

The Philly guys also were abusing some older Luchese gangsters, men in their seventies, the source said.

The Luchese members had started to lord it over the Philadelphia gangsters, who finally got tired of it. Johnny "Gongs" was among the first to stand up to the older Luchese gangsters. (Just now, while updating code, something suddenly occurred to me. Could this episode with the Luchese crime family elders have led to Casasanto's later murder?)

"They're old, they're doing 30-year sentences and they were getting abused by these kids from Philadelphia."

Back at McKean, Alite also stuck up for Joe Gambino "because Gene was abusing him," our Gambino source said. "You don’t run in that life and not know every move on the compound. I saw a lot of it. Gene was abusing his own fucking guys – the Gambino brothers. He wants everyone to kiss his ass because of his last name.

"Backstabbing treacherous fucking people... The loyalty don’t run deep with them."

The list of guys at McKean badmouthed by Gene Gotti included George Conti and George Zappola, formerly Luchese capos, and Michael "Baldy Mike" Spinelli "who got straightened out in prison and was there also. Gene was talking bad about him.too because he was working in Unicor  where he was making about 35 cents an hour," said our Bonanno source.
Johnny Gongs.

It reached the point where Gene was eventually confronted at McKean and abused by many of the guys he'd badmouthed -- most of whom were members of the Luchese family (which had worked with the Genovese clan to take out John Gotti Senior in the late 1980s, recall.)

The Luchese members at McKean first reached out to a heavyweight capo in their crime family to tell him what was happening with Gene.

He told them:  "Don't worry about the Gottis. They are no one to worry about."



121 comments :

  1. So Gene is a stand up guy but not loyal to his own in prison if true it says all u need to know about this guy these kids will eat him alive when he gets out all his crew is dead or in jail. Either he minds his P.s Q.s when he gets out or somebody will probably mind them for him. He will get his mind right. The Gotti name can only carry u so far u have to have some respect for the new guys in charge no matter how stand up u were. Just my opinion Philly

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  2. Gene having problems with the philly guys is bullshit! Gene was with Chazz Iannece, a Scarfo guy who got out a few years ago after doing 20yrs, I saw the pics of them two when they were in there, nobody messed with them!

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  3. Why don't we just anoint Alite Saint John, if you didn't know it you would think this is the most stand up guy ever to be part of the mob, he sounds like a mob superhero on here, he protects gotti on the street, he protects all the mob guys in jail, I'm waiting to hear he saved some burning babies from a burning house, he was nothing but a drug dealer who couldn't handle doing his time.

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  4. Alite should have been with Vito Corleone when he bought those oranges.

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  5. In the Gotti Rules book it said that Alite and Johnny Gongs were tight in jail and Gongs wanted to move to NY to be with the Gambinos, strange that him and his friends from Philly would abuse senior members of the Luchese family in jail, good story and I hope to hear more about this

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  6. It doesn't say anything about Philly guys and Gene. Says Gene talked about my source behind his back and that he abused the Gambino brothers -- Carlo's sons, Tommy and Joey. Philly guys were fighting Muslims and had problems with some older Luchese guys trying to boss them around. There is more to this story.......

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  7. So Gene went from a gentleman to throwing his weight around?

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  8. Ed, that's a different story, I walked away thinking u were trying to say Gene had problems with the philly guys, my bad.

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  9. he wasn't just a drug dealer in the neighborhood where we come from

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  10. Geez I'm seriously starting to wonder if my readers really want the truth. I pulled my punches on this one. So tell me: can you handle the truth? You think Alite is putting words in my source's mouth? He'd be highly amused at some of these comments. You want to know what's really going on or not???

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  11. Ed, sorry to bust your bubble but not everyone on here takes Alite's word as gospel as you do.

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  12. A friend of mine was in with Gene for years, he said Gene is a good guy "one on one" but when around a group of guys is a completely different guy, not in a good way!

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  13. Gene is bitter after all the time inside. I won't judge him it's not pleasant inside.

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  14. Eddie keep up the great articles. And I wonder what the beef was with the Muslims.

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  15. I think all of us forget Johnny broke the rules in 94. He fucked Agnello's wife and was lucky he didn't get killed. Everyone has their reasons to testify, but at some point being that close to Junior saved his ass.

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  16. Then Gene shoulda grew a pair balls and told his brother go fuck himself he.s the blame for where he.s at not John u csn plea out u do it fuck what everybody thinks there not doing ur time Geez. And Gene ain.t owed anything if he does.nt have money left grom all thst heroin he sold shame on him because the only break he.s gonna get when he gets out that he and his idiot nephew don.t get a anti depresent to the head.Philly

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  17. Should.nt be to hard to figure out there muslims and money somebody got short changed and if it involved that idiot Johnny Gongs Casasanto he was a real handjob big mouth that.s one of many reasons he was clipped typical So philly street corner Jerkoff right Lou. Philly

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  18. Hi AJ this guy Johnny Gongs was not liked in Philly whats the saying growing up in school when u got ur report card for conduct and it was checked does.nt play well with others thst was Johnny Gongs Casasanto as for Alite he told Johnny Gongs he would never make it on the treet in NY they would kill him this is.nt phila i was told.

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  19. Print the Truth Ed thank u .philly

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  20. I left a reply lou but for some reason it didn.t come up. Philly

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  21. There's a story on a different site of someone who was inside for a lot of years (not connected) who told that Gotti sat down a load of black fellas in prison and told them all to never admit guilt and always go to trial. All but one took his advice, most of them got 30-to life and the one who plead guilty got 20 years. History just keeps proving what a bad Don Gotti was - and yet the American public loves him.

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  22. Thanks for changing the headline Ed....it answered my question.

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  23. Good point about Scarfo jr, makes more sense thanks Philly

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  24. Indeed , now this comment hits the mark perfectly.

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  25. I know and was going to include that but I couldn't find reference to it. I have to check again, maybe Capeci writes about it in one of his books. I did want to include that Lou. I remember reading and always thinking that too but I have to find reference to it.

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  26. I heard a different version. He told everyone that supposedly. Younger guys in jail were in awe of Gotti and he'd talk to them and tell all of them

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  27. Yeah, I wasn't crazy about the previous one myself... thanks

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  28. Great point! I was gonna ask you about this story before I published but I was pressed for time. Excellent insight. Im going to add this when I have time. Thanks Philly...

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  29. He may have been there the entire time. Without taking a look at his sentencing report, I can't say for sure.

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  30. That's the same version as I said isn't it?

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  31. No ed never heard the name is he part of Phila.s North Jersey vrew maybe? Philly

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  32. I agree but I will say this about Gongs, kid had a lot of balls! Problem was he couldn't be controlled, was banging Merlino's wife when joey was away, Gotti Jr loved him when they were together in the joint, even wanted to have him join the Gambinos, shame, did his time like a stand up guy but joined the wrong side of the Merlino Stanfa mob war and paid the price for switching sides.

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  33. U know people get mad at our comments about Jr Gotti and Johnny Alite. I don.t know either of them personaly but if it was.nt for Jr Gotti.s father we would have never knew who he was. As for Johnny he was gonna be known no matter what he was running with his choke out as a kid so he had something to prove. As for now these two guys are playing the game right feeding off one another to sell books and get the most out of there most recent pay day. The difference being there both solo know they don.t have to kick up to nobody but themselves. And what the average guy does.nt understand when u live this life u wake up every day a can get whacked that does.nt change because u ratted. The hard part is living with what u did. Now u can go earn have a sports book help collect money on ur rep the only people u have to worry about is the same ones you were with before and some law enforcement

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  34. Agree he had brass balls. But there were several guys who were with John and switched over Gateon being one of them Frank Gambino i think was.nt he in on the Johnny Veasey hit. But gongs could.nt shut his mouth. Lol philly

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  35. Wow some great conversations here.


    I guess the future of the Ital mob depends a lot on the economy. If it's bad, then smart Itals will get involved in OC and improve it. If it's good, you only end up with the thugs.

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  36. Hardcore...I guess this is what you have to look forward to if you become successful in the drug business...or any illegal business for that matter.

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  37. Ed, I don't think anyone was ever saying Gene was a tough guy, 9 out of 10 of those wise guys are straight punks, BUT, them being punks doesn't mean they won't shoot you in a heartbeat, that's the difference here, that's the streets, since were talking about jail it's all about what you can do with your hands, this is what makes a guy like Alite have more respect in the joint then Gene or any of those other guys, Alite can straight up fight, in the joint he's getting more respect than those other guys, he's also gonna have a lot of the old timers wanting him around them. I was there so I'm speaking from experience, I wasnt there with them but what Alite says about what happen in their has a lot of truth to it.

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  38. I see what you mean but on the other hand didn't vinnie Teresa or maybe it was someone else, say that carmine galante ran his prison and was afforded total respect?..... and he was hardly five foot four.... But it would seem that a physically strong man who knew how to fight would be less of a mark in jail, although I've never been there.

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  39. He did run the prison but keep in mind a couple things, prison in the 50s, 60s, 70s were totally differnt, they paid off the guards which gave them big clout, if they wanted someone off their tier it was done, they ran the prisons with no competition, the Muslims were nothing back then, they had no say, and finally, because of their relationships with the guards they were able to cell up with their own guys and have all their guys on their wings or tiers, not like that today, that's why a lot of these mob guys have problems in there.

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  40. I don't know what happened to all the comments that were attached to this story. I have to look into this....

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  41. There were lots of Lucheses in prison at the time. This story includes Gene and Lucheses in McKean, and Luchese elders and the Philly mob (no Gene) in Allenwood.... to clarify.

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  42. Interesting point. The Mafia works on the perception of power. What happens when someone refuses to acknowledge the perception? Historically, they'd be later murdered for their breaking of protocol.....

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  43. well put lou its essy to pull the trigger but when confronted one on one most people can.t handle themselves or are afraid to get hit. u really don.t know what ur capable of till u get cracked kicked laid out and get back up and finish the fight in good fashion. always liked a nice scrape clears the cobwebs .Philly

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  44. After reading this follow up ed if Gene.s a smart fella he moves on with his life shuts his mouth which is hard for any Gotti case and point Jr and Sr and lives out what time he has left not sure how old he is but doing 30 yrs will break any man down no matter who u are.

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  45. Guys like Joe Mecca are the kind Johnny gongs drew to him with something to prove Johnny would use guys like that to do his dirty work and later would turn on them or end up stabbing them him and his brother were good for that could.nt be trusted.

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  46. Ok Lou, you hit on my next question: let's say you have a stray Mob guy in a west coast prison for whatever reason. What would he do for protection? The Aryans? I know Gotti used themt but from what I gather, they were just paid muscle and nothing more. What about the eme? Before you laugh me off the site here, have you heard of a wise guy named Jimmy Coppola? There is a pic of him online flanked by two hard looking emeros and they seem to be great friends. It's not hard to find online. Supposedly he was mixed up with Mexican Mafia emeros in jail and they ended up killing him. I can't really find any thing specific on this. It would have been in the 1980s I think. It touches on your point because seriously, a LCN wiseguy would probably have a massive target on his chest out west and not feared don't you think? Or am I wrong? Seems to me a wiseguy out of his element like that would be on his own and have to figure out real quick who to hook up with.

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  47. When the mafia guys get to the joint do they have to prove themselves all over again or is their title coming in enough for the other inmates to say oh here comes Gene Gotti we need show him respect despite not knowing him? And do the families all seperate themselves along those lines or do the Italians as a whole comprise one big group. It sounds like Alite was shown respect by all groups inside, did alot of this come from being so closely associated with the Gottis and the Italians or because he was a bonafide tough guy?. There is a photo out there I believe taken in Atlanta USP in the mid 90s that shows Vic Amuso, Nicky Scarfo Sr, Michael Taccetta, and Vic Orena and the question that came to mind is was one of the guys deferred to more than the other one or did they have the guys with them that were on the street with them or did they comprise a big group with some sort of loose hierarchy and obviously seeing Amuso and Taccetta together was interesting considering Vic and Gas issued the order to whack Jersey ( Lucchese faction of family) a few years before. Are those beefs forgotten about while inside. Lastly I remember reading that Joey Flowers Tangorra and how he fell apart mentally and completely went off the reservation and ended up doing his time in Rochester FMC which caters to the mentally ill but he didnt flip and did 15 years. Does a guy like that retain his status or is he written off because he didnt compose himself publicly?

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  48. Hey Hawk you bring up good points and I like yourself have no personal experience in the world of prison or jail outside of being in a holding cell for a few hours while I was in college. Anyhow the question that I have is does this way of living in prison only experienced at the higher security prisons or does it depend on the person or group, the reason I wonder this is because sometime ago four or five friends of mine and a couple of my cousins went to federal prison with sentences ranging from 12 months 37 months and if I remember correctly the places they were in ranged from Loretto Pa, McKean Pa, Ashland Kentucly, Cumberland Maryland, Elkton and Lewisburg. Im pretty certain all these guys ended up in camps if they didnt start out there and the overall consensus from them was that the places they were at were not that bad as their days consisted of working out, playing cards and cooking. Of course the first question I had was if they were locked up with any mob guys and to my suprise one of the guys was in Ashland Ky was locked up with Vincent Gotti in the low security section of that place as he was waiting for a bed to open in the camp because of overcrowding I thought I would hear he ran the place but the guy said he never talked to him and was only there a couple weeks before going to the camp but he didnt get the feeling that Vincent Gotti was running the place and my friend who was in McKean was in there with Wesley Snipes and said that he had poor hygiene habits but that was about the extent of any gossip and the overall feeling I got was that these guys were locked up with other inmates who did not want to make waves and go to a higher security place and the interest was just getting home. Anyhow I wonder if the behavior of some of these guys when all grouped together is ego driven and are they targeted for extortion because of who they are as prison is a whole different world as I cant imagine Gotti would even acknowledge a Aryan brother on the streets but must because of circumstances he was in at Marion. If a mob guy was on the west coast would he be known because of other inmates passing that info on or because he couldnt keep his mouth shut and not try to push his weight around because of who he was back home. It seems these guys making living among one another in prison harder for themselves because they cant put their ego aside. I dont know I know I went on a rant but when somebody is given 50 years as Gene was I would believe alot of those guys would get fed up with his antics and say screw him he wont be home this lifetime and disregard him. Slapping around a guy from your own family in front of others is an unforgivable sin for most but seems he only got slapped back by Alite and not shived because of his big brother John.

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  49. Truth be said Ed from what i know of turchi he was Ralphs Consigliere for a while but Joey played him against Ralph He got demoted and when Ralph went to Jail for the Meth bust he thought he should be boss was stiring shit uncle Joe later had a few of the boys put that to sleep. Over all he was a broke dick and his kid was a junkie think he.s dead also not sure. Philly

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  50. There is too much fraudulent bull crap in the comments. My open door policy is being taken advantage of. So I've changed it. Regular and legit comments will continue as usual, unless moderation is required. I've been doing this so long, I can sniff out the phonies very easily. I can't respond to comments as much anymore for reasons ill explore soon enough.

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  51. I left a comment on turchi earlier just the facts i don.t see it know hope i did.nt ofgend anyone. Philly

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  52. Hawk, I never heard of him, as for your question about what happens if they end up in a west cost prison? In the early 80s Nicky Scarfo sr had to do some time, they sent him to a prison in Texas which was run by Mexicans, he had so much respect there because of who he was that the heads of the Mexican gangs we're his bodyguards, they loved him because they loved that life, when he came home n they got out they went to Atlantic city to visit him, that's the kind of friendship he built with them, I'll tell you another story about carmine perisco if you want to hear it.

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  53. The hypocrisy has to stop if the Mafia is going to survive. Rules are rules for a reason.

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  54. The rules are in place but followed when it only benefits the individuals if not ignored and with society today that is.nt gonna change when there.s no body respected enough to police it. That.s the nature of the beast. Philly

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  55. tell us about the snake plz

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  56. Who r u talkin 2, ed?

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  57. Lou, please tell me about the snake....I want to hear it all. That's an interesting story about Scarfo. But that was over thirty years ago.....you think things have changed since then? Hey do me a favor if you have time and read up on that Jimmy Coppola guy, and tell me what you think or if it rings any bells. Supposedly the LA Dragna family worked with the Mex Mafia to move heroin in the 1980s but I don't know how true that is. I do think that there are certain cultural similarities between the Mexicsns and Itals that lend themselves to at least some degree of respect, do you? Thanks for the post on my comment.

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  58. Ok Lou here is another one for you: what imprisoned boss ordered Michael Douglas' son to have his femur broken for ratting out the source of the drugs he got convicted of possessing in prison? Did you see the stories on this a few years ago? The only bosses imprisoned for life I can think of are the snake and Scarfo.... What do you think?

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  59. Ed, wasn't Gotti Sr supposed to have killed the person accused of kidnapping Carlo Gambino's nephew and killing him even though the ransom was paid? (Referring to your point about it not being known if Gotti ever personally did "work")

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  60. It's my understanding he didn't pull the trigger in the McBratney killing.

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  61. Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.

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  62. Ed, the term is "he did some heavy work" or "he didn't do any heavy lifting" If you go on a job when someone is suppose to be clipped, and someone else actually does the killing, you are held to the hit by your superiors as if you did the actual killing. That's how it works.

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  63. I can't believe how many men that flipped claim it was because (like Mikey Scars) they were demoted and left in the lurch as soon as they went inside and their family got no financial support. I would think it's obvious that you make more money taking care of your guys and staying on the street than you do if bitter men bring down the show and get you locked up. I wonder if it really was about loyalty back in day or if it's been romanticised, like the way they use drug dealing now as a way to show the lack of standards today even though mobsters like Genovese went away in the heyday for drugs.

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  64. Yeah and they're just as guilty in the law's eyes. But to the shooters that's bullshit. Big shots in the mob routinely sent sons, nephews etc on hits as backup shooters, or Sat them in crash cars. This gives them cred in the mob, yes, but to the killers, the guys pulling the trigger and ending lives for the administration, this is all bullshit. They call these guys phonies.

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  65. Here's the story on the Snake, a good friend of mine was in there with him, in the beginning of his bit they had him on what's called 'Diesel therapy' that's where they send you from prison to prison, besides that they have him locked down 23 hours a day, so they finally send him to a place where he's gonna be for a few years n have him locked down for the 23 hours, while he's there a riot breaks out, the warden n guards can't get it under control so guess what they do? They go to the Snake and ask if he could help, the Snake says I'll help but if I end this I want out of this 23 hour lock down, the warden says I can't promise u that (wink wink) but I'll see what I can do, The Snake had so much respect that he went out there n ended the riot, a week later he was out in population and has been there ever since, that goes to show their still is mob guys who have major respect in there without being the physical tough guy.

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  66. Don't forget Vic Amuso, he was the boss of the Luchese family n he's still in there, I'm not familiar with that story, maybe Ed would know.

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  67. That's the fabled Jimmy McBratney hit at snoopes in Staten Island. It was Gotti, I think quack quack ruggiero and another guy named Ralphie wigs Gallione. Supposedly Jimmy knew what was up and had a machine gun in his car. From what I read in the same books you mob fanatics have probably read, Jimmy was strong as shit and dragged one or two of the wise guys across the bar before I think it was Ralphie shot him? Ralphie got killed not long after and his son is a bonnano guy I think. Gotti got big time attorney Roy kohn to defend him which makes me think old man Carlo either held Gotti in high esteem or was rewarding him for avenging his nephew. I think Ed is right that Gotti didn't pull the trigger. He only did what about two years?

    A couple things here: Eddie Maloney in his book Tough Guy insists that the Manny killing was accident, and also I don't think mc b was a westie as is sometimes reported. One other footnote. If you look hard enough online you will find an article about McBratneys son from a few years ago.....he was trying to peddle a reality show where the relatives of killed gangsters try to conjure up their spirits. You really cannot make this crap up! But I have always been under the impression that the Jimmy killing was the real beginning of Gottis rise.

    Also from the death pic online Jimmy was a big strong man in a beer drinking Irish working class sort of way. I love this shit!

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  68. Ed now that you mention it I don't know if it is actually known who fired the kill shot? If I recall, Gallione flashed a cop badge but Jimmy didn't fall for it. Then at some point Ralphie I think fired a shot into the ceiling. That's when Jimmy dragged two of the three across the bar I think. The idea I always had was that Ralphie was in charge and killed Jimmy and that Ralphie got clipped beceause he sorta effed the whole thing up. Although one thing I will never get is how gigante didn't get clipped for shooting Costello nearly point blank in the head and not killing him? That one always vexes me.

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  69. That.s the guy Vic Amuso boss of Luchese family who Scarfo Sr had ask to make his Son Nicky Jr so the Phila family could.nt whack him . Probably one of the reasons for the problems in Mckean and Allenwood we were talking about between the two family.s and later a possible take over in mid 2006 to 2009 that failed. I believe Vic Amuso and Nick Sr were in Atalanta at the time don.t know if there still together today. Remember seeing pictures of both in a magazine by a Jew lawyer something leonard in Atlanctic City who did a article on Previte and Nick named him the Hammonton Hump not to his liking i might say many yrs ago. Philly

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  70. Im still trying to figure it out thought it was me lol philly

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  71. No!!! Never man, LOL! An inside thing to no one important....

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  72. No man LOL!!!! Inside thing to no one on here anymore.....

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  73. Well, Jerry Capeci reported that based on multiple sources:

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  74. http://www.cosanostranews.com/2014/07/whos-luchese-boss-still-vic-amuso.html

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  75. I added a quote from another blog that speculates Gene may have a place among the Sicilians:
    Kenji Gallo, who writes Breakshot Blog, provides interesting perspective in a story he posted on Sept. 14, 2014 in which he noted:

    The new Gambino family is run by the Sicilian faction, but maybe Gene will fit in with them. Gene has maintained a steady stream of visitors who speak to him on many family topics including his brothers and nephews. Many of these men were heroin dealers like Gene, and some continue to push their poison to the masses. Gene Gotti, Angelo Ruggiero, John Carneglia and Sal Ruggiero ran a multimillion dollar heroin empire and it was running smooth until Sal was indicted and had to go on the run.

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  76. John Alite has the scoop on a lot of the Philly guys.

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  77. He was in the system with a lot of them including Gonz so he would.ve had conversation with some im sure one tough kid i hear

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  78. You make a good point it.s all about the dope money and he shut his mouth so he might be alright. Back in the early 80.s i meant two Gambino guys and there last name were Gambino they had a club in Cherry hill called Valentino.s they showed up with a couple girls a liitle older than me who were into the dope good looking and started hooking at a old bar in winslow twp about 35 minutes from cherry hill. Always wondered if they wrre psrt of the pizza connection. Valentinos closed not much longer after that acrosd from the Garden State race track. Philly

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  79. I think you're right, it's always been romanticized and they've always dealt drugs. Didn't lucky Luciano himself rat out his own stash of drugs to get out of hot water one time? And his buddy davey petIllo, he said lucky left him In the lurch after his deal with the Feds to police the harbors, which was probably the biggest scam there was because the mob itself probably torched the Normandie I think was the name. And it seems to me kiddie porn is the 1000 pound elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about because it's so disgusting and vile. But wasn't di Bernardo the biggest kiddie porn king pin in the country? And castellano looked the other way. So yeah I think you're right... Its all romanticized, these guys are without a soul.

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  80. That's the same Amuso!! Yes they both were together in Atlanta but they serrated them when that Scarfo jr trial started last year cause they said in court Amuso n Scarfo sr we're giving them advice on how to bust out that company they bankrupted in Texas. And their defnitley is something to it on why their was problems between lLuchese guys n Philly guys in the joint.

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  81. Not only did they pay off the guards, but when lilo (that's galante's nickname) was there, there was 400 to 500 strong standing behind him. I think I saw somewhere that Joe Watts bought up all the cells in his cell block so he could have his guys with him. I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't doubt.

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  82. First off, Jimmy Coppola was not a full-fledged "wiseguy." He wasn't even made and had no inside connection to the heroin trade involving higher-ups. He was pure small time. That's for sure. Guys like Coppola have to go through many buffers to get to the higher-ups. Coppola was always on the periphery and an associate of the west coast and was in prison for most of the 70's. A key phrase in your post is that "he was mixed up with some Mexicans." That's a lot different than paying for protection and laying low. What he and the Mexicans were involved with was banging out (not screwing) other inmates for protection by getting credit card numbers from weaker inmates which they would pass on to people on the outside to use or get cash advances. He most likely was killed for something real petty as that's how the Mexicans roll. They're short on the brains and class, but ruthless for the slightest sign of disrespect. I had a California interlude myself years ago hanging with some hot Mexican broad and saw how these guys operate. A score to them is going out using a couple of their hot broads to schmooze some guys with money at the bar to get them to buy drinks for the girls, and then the girls turn around and bring the drinks to what you call emeros. I wouldn't put too much stock in American Me and documentaries as when Gotti was in Marion the Mexicans were goffers for the AB. That's a fact, not TV. They don't have "la pinta" tied up as some may think, even on the west coast there are factions in jail. Being that we're talking about ancient history, my specialty, there was a Gallo guy that made it big on the west coast called Mike Rizzi. His real name was Rizzitello. He died in L.A. state prison sometime in the early 90s. Till his death he had two cells to himself with his own kitchen and workout area. Who he paid is anyone's guess. Nothing is for free in the joint. If you get a favor you have to have collateral. Otherwise you get a shank or dressed up like goldie locks and get passed around like a dirty magazine.
    Hawkman, being that you're an Arizona guy, what happened to Sammy Bull when he just walked into Phoenix and said he's taking over the ecstacy trade? Did anyone challenge him? Why didn't the eme shank him after he got locked up? That was a rumor that was going around, but sheriff Arpaio said it was b.s., that "eme" wouldn't fool with someone of Gravano's caliber. I found that hard to believe.

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  83. Hawk there is an interesting story about Carmine Persico that takes place when he was out west in Lompoc. Have you seen the pic of the Snake posing with some other guys and it appears that they had a prison band. It consisted of the Snake, Mark Reiter, Anyhony Senter, and J.R Russo a Boston mob guy. The story about the Snake is about a guy ( Michael Loyd) who was informing on him. Look it up you will enjoy it

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  84. Scarfo is nobody's fool. When he was in Marion he paid the AB like Gotti, but he didn't try running the show cause he's wise enough to know he's not dealing with cosa nostra. He definitely had to do a couple of favors for the Mexicans while in Texas otherwise with time they would have made an enchilada out of him. Even Joe Merlino paid off a Mexican gang for protection. These guys are targets when they're out numbered.

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  85. Ed, I know that this Kenji guy fooled with the Colombos, but I hardly think, but I could be wrong, that he really fooled with any siggies. They wouldn't touch a half breed of his origin with a 20-foot pole. I'm just speaking my mind here from being around. I could be wrong. I think if the Sicilians have full control of the family that they would just want Gene to stay in Queens and keep a low profile. Cefalu is from 18th Avenue. I could go into some heavy detail on the zips of 18th avenue, but for my sake I won't. If the Sicilians are just caretakers and not in full control then that's a different story. One thing is for sure, they hate the Gottis, and John Sr. making Cefalu doesn't mean squat these days.

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  86. Gotti may not have pulled the trigger on that hit, but he definitely pulled the trigger on some others during the 60s. in particular a couple of black guys skimming off the top of the numbers racket that the gambinos still controlled in east new York after they shifted over to ozone park.

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  87. What happened to Sparks as a place to go after the Castellano shooting? Did/do wiseguys go there or did it get crossed off after the incident

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  88. Old school, thanks. I never knew that but I'm assuming you are really getting into the weeds and the hidden, murky side of mob history that there is little record of? This is the sort of thing that makes me a fanatic of this site. All I know is what I read and although I have close to a hundred books on this stuff, but there is just some stuff only a few people can know. I'm assuming the murders you reference are in that category? Thx again....keep this stuff coming.

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  89. Ed, I have his book but have not gotten around to reading it....any good? Also, just as an aside, Time mag did a cover story on the mob in 1977 called "big, bad and booming" that you can access online pretty easily. Not sure what made me think of it now, but it's interesting to read these old stories knowing what we now know about mob history.....

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  90. Old school, any ideas why the Sicilians still have such a heavy influence in the American mob today whereas the calabrians seem to be heavy in Canada and Mexico? Do the calabrians and Sicilians mistrust each other? From what I read the calabrians are tighter and more cellular than the Sicilians and are working with the Mexican cartels to lockdown the drug market in Europe. Are there Calabrian mob elements in the New York mafia? Seems most are either Siciilian or Neapolitans, no?

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  91. Ya gotta know your audience!

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  92. can you post the link? Breakshot is a great read!

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  93. I understand what you're saying but his blog, now, is sort of like mine. He's not relying on personal experience as much as research, talking to sources, etc.

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  94. Yes, I agree with Hawkman. So much about the Mafia is unknown and probably will forever be.... this period you discuss, these kinds of events are completely undocumented. That's uncharted territory I'd love to explore.

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  95. Hawkman, all I can say about the Sicilians is that they still had a very heavy presence in the Brooklyn (bensonhurst and Dyker Heights predominantly) up until about 10-15 years ago, but they have completely gone underground and are big in the construction industry and always will be. There have been some heavy weight Italians of Calabrian descent in the American mob, being that you're an avid reader I'm sure I don't have to mention them, but historically like you said Sicilians and Neapolitans were in the majority. There was an independent Calabrian family out on long island called Siderno who were supposedly heavily involved in heroin. The Calabrian gangs are very tight because they usually only marry cousins from what I understand. All three groups that you've mentioned have some mistrust for each other. The southern Calabrian dialect is close to some Sicilian dialects while northern Calabrian dialect is more closer to Neapolitan. I don't have a clue as to what is going on in Canada, but another Calabrian stronghold is Argentina. I have many cousins there and was there in 2000. Italian is like a second language there, because of all the Italians that migrated there. The guy fat sal who was supposed to go hunt down Gravano was originally from Argentina but of Calabrian descent, but I think he got caught and flipped. It's my opinion, but I could be wrong, in another 20 to 25 years the American mobs will be dominated about the Sicilians or Ndrangheta and will be sleeper cells.

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  96. I got that anecdote about Watts from another blog....

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  97. I think I have seen that pic! I didn't know senter and Russo and reiter were in it tho. Russo was the Guy who killed Barboza and senter was one of the Gemini twins, right? Is that the pic where the snake was sort of posing without his shirt on? Talk about a rogues gallery, huh? I'll look that up.... So you have you seen the pic of Jimmy coppola flanked by two Mexican mafiosos? For some reason I really want to find out what the deal with that was.

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  98. Ed I'm totally with you. I'm obsessed. I'd love to quit my job and piece this shit together. You know what else I'm burning to know? Who the hell was Paul Katz or whatever his name is... The Guy who asaro and Burke killed in 1968 that is part of Asaro's indictment? And dammit I wanna know why the Mexican mafia killed Jimmy coppola and who this guy was with!

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  99. Old school ok tell me this then because you mentioned Argentina. I posted this elsewhere but I really wanna why Scarfo told his nephew that the guy that they whacked from Argentina was different even though he was ital.... This fascinates me because argentines ar Hispanic but like you said they are a majority Italian country along with Uruguay. I've always wondered why the mafia didn't flourish in Argentina because of all the Itals there? And the Itals settled there when they settled in the states too. Do you think that the provincial nature of a lot of mafiosos makes them mistrustful of argentine or other non US Italians?

    As for Calabria well my mom and I took a train from Rome to Calabria because she wanted to see where her grandfather came from. And Im reading this book on Calabria and I'm starting to shit my pants because I'm reading that kidnapping Americans is like the regional industry. And as we go further south I can see the people change before my eyes. Gone are the euro trashy flashy guys from Rome who look like soccer players and in their place are hard eyed men who are not big but man, you would not wanna eff with em....

    Btw I always thought Costello was the biggest Calab in American mob history, but that was more like an accident sort of the way Adonis was from puglia or someplace like that....

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  100. Old school that's some Awesome shit. I just found my old book about the weasel called vengeance is mine, speaking of th Los Angeles mob. What you said about the eme rings true to me, that they don't set their sights high. I don't even wanna know how you know that shit about Coppola. But is it me or is the fact that Coppola had his head shaved like the Mexicans interesting? And did he get shanked in San Quentin? Also do you think there is a grain of truth to the part of American me where th Los angles on floods the barrios with pure heroin and causes the Mexicans to overdose?

    About Sammy, I wish I was in the know. The only thing I can say is that I think he dealt in. A primarily suburban neighborhood to white kids? I don't really know. I know that I met him and he hugged me before he came out...I posted that elsewhere. Frankly the fact that he wasn't killed made me think that the mafia was not what it was. This was when I first started getting into this stuff reading books like foppianos "godson" And underboss. But look what happened with Barboza right? Eventually jr Russo killed him. And who was the ny guy who they got to by using a crooked probation officer and killed him in Cali? Man this stuff gets jumbled. Sometimes I think I make half this crap up!

    Old school please keep this stuff coming and lets all thank Ed again for creating this forum where fanatics like us can trade info and ideas and learn.

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  101. Wasn't there an Andre Katz murder too? The Demeo crew? Anyway wasn't Paul an associate of Burke and Asaro who they suspected of snitching when a warehouse full of their stolen merchandise was raided by the cops and Katz himself wasn't there? I know I wrote about it somewhere.....

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  102. Hawkman, Coppola had more going on with the Mexicans than he did with his own kind. Whether a couple of heroin deals went down I honestly don't know. The west coast was always hurting for some new blood. If he was worth anything they would have made him in
    a heart beat. I think the American Me movie put the Italians in there to make it more interesting. The part where they show up at the boss' house is a joke. The higher-ups use buffers for that. The part about flooding the neighborhoods with uncut dope is not true. It makes for good cinema. A lot of people walk away thinking that's true. I know the old man Dragna OD'd on heroin himself in a hotel, believe it or not. In the 90s a camorra boss named Michele Zaza who was a top heroin dealer for the Sicilians lived in Beverly hills.
    I still scratch my head about the Gravano hit. Deep down inside I think no one wanted to really kill him as they knew they would end up going down. Besides the government was probably doing everything to look out for him until he got jammed up with the dope. If it was a Mexican thing, Gravano would have been killed in two minutes, and the guy who got caught would feel himself a hero and be glad to do 100 years.
    No one is getting whacked these days unless it's real serious. it's just going to interrupt the cash flow.

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  103. Hawkman, I forgot to mention. I think it was San Quentin where Coppola got shanked.

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  104. Hawkman, the American wiseguys can't stand a lot of the Sicilians or wiseguys "from the other side" as we say. Why? First off, they feel they can't trust them because they're very clannish. The guys from the other side have no problem telling you like it is to your face in sometimes not the most gentlemanly way which was the preference among most made guys. In other words, a lot of them are big mouths and look at americans as inferior and have no problem showing it. The best comparison I can make, and maybe the Philly guys can help on this, is when Stanfa was given the okay to be boss in Philly, he looked down on and couldn't stand the americans and created a big problem in running the family.
    The only thing that changed with Italians going to Argentina is the language. An Argentinian of Italian descent will have more in common with an Italian from Italy than an American of Italian descent. I don't know if that makes sense. In order words, even though Scarfo became a psycho he was from the old school gentlemanly gangster era. This Falcone guy, even though he may have been born in Argentina, most likely had a big mouth or thought Scarfo was wrong about something and had no problem telling him to his face, which is a no no in the wiseguys circles, especially in that time. If you're dealing with a major gangster and he's wrong about something, but he thinks he's right, and yet he's definitely wrong, he's still right. I don't think Falcone was whacked because he was born or past through Argentina. He disrespected Scarfo in some way.
    In the 20s and 30s Rosario argentina was full of mafia activity, but that was the extent of it. It eventually became a hiding place for many of them. Tomasso Buscetta's brother had an ice scream shop in Buenos Aires and was killed there. An Ndrangheta boss was born there and arrested in Colombia. Since they have so many cousins there mob guys from Italy have been hiding out there, but the Calabrians used it to their advantage and have practically colonized the place. The Italian government says that if Calabria was it's own country it would be a failed stated, a third world country. There was a butcher in some town there who didn't want to pay his protection money. I think the town is San Luca. The local gang there beheaded him with his own butcher knives and used his head for target practice in the towns piazza. Go to Calabria with Perillo tours or an escort is my best advice for americans going there.

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  105. Was Andre the vacuum cleaner salesman the Demeo crew killed by accident? Or was that kid a puerto ricin? I think Andre was a drug dealer they killed? All I know about Paul is that I first heard of him when the recent indictment came down...

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  106. Old school, copy on Argentina.....I'm a big fight fan and a lot of the argentine greats like Juan coggi and Luis firpo were Itals. What you said about the guys from the other side makes sense....I remember a Mexican American friend of mine telling me guys from Mexico looked down on Mexican Americans....same Dynamo, probably. About Calabria ... Did you see the ndagnetta and I know I butchered the spelling.... They killed the five year old grandson of a snitch or something like that.... These guys have a savagery that approaches Isis.....which is a whole nother can of worms....

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  107. Andrei ran an auto body shop. He and Chris had an ongoing feud because Andrei got jammed up with law enforcement because Rosenberg supposedly did a bad retag job (Andrei was a minor player in the auto theft ring). The crew got some woman to lure him away so they could kill him and I believe his chopped up body was found in a dumpster.

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  108. Great buncha guys! Did you ever see the footage of Demeo and Senter at a bbq at DeMeo's house? It's chilling, it's on Youtube. Also, about the DeMeo gang, I have this book called "Stolen Valor" about guys who lie about military service. There are a few pages on Montiglio. I'd have to find the book, but it would be worth reading that portion.

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  109. Thanks, as usual, Old School. Great stuff. I figured that the whole Italian thing was put into American Me for the reasons you said. Sort of a way to make the movie more interesting. It's a great flick, though, ain't it? And that line is pretty cool: "Italians? There ain't no Italians in East Los!"


    About Sammy, again, you hit on the fact that just because a guy flips doesn't mean he's a coward, physically, or not tough, or not a good fighter, or an easy mark. It just means he doesn't want to go to jail, at least in my opinion. I mean, I sure wouldn't want to tangle with Sammy. I'm just an avid reader, but yeah, he was the gov't's prize. I truly believe that that was the beginnings of Casso's problems with the Feds: He told them the truth, that Sammy was a liar. There was no way that they could have let that happen. It was weird meeting Sammy. He asked me if a "had a problem" because he could tell that I recognized him at a local bar in Scottsdale. Let me tell you, I almost shat myself. Then he called me over to his table and I know now that he was with his daughter, Karen. He asked if I was Italian. When I said yes, well....he hugged me. How crazy is that? I'm lucky that I didn't end up fertilizing the golf course at the Phoenician....DOH!

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  110. Funny, he LOOKS like Michael Douglass!

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  111. I did actually. think I posted it at one time or another...

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  112. Hi old school its philly i posted 13 days ago about sicilians being trusted using John Stanfa . Its eds article whats the mob like today. Also Check both of eds articles on Chickie Ciangelini i also break down the problems with american kids and the kids from Sicily hope that helps u with the point ur making to hawkman i seen it first hand the crews did.nt care for one another. Philly

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  113. I've heard that the validity of that book was questioned. Historians still reference it (just like the phony Luciano memoir).

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  114. I have NEVER HEARD of any mobster ever being involved in a child porn ring.. ESPECIALLY a high profile mobster.

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